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	<title>Comments on: One Hundred Paper Cuts: Karmic Summary and Lucid Plans</title>
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		<title>By: UbuntuMexico.com &#187; 100 papercuts para Lucid Linx</title>
		<link>http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/comment-page-1/#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>UbuntuMexico.com &#187; 100 papercuts para Lucid Linx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] se harán 100 pequeñas mejoras a Lucid (la próxima versión de Ubuntu). David Siegel ha publicado los planes para realizar 100 pequeños parches sobre la interfaz, el uso, o pequeños ajustes que mejoren la experiencia de uso en [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/comment-page-1/#comment-1958</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jef, I understand and agree. The One Hundred Paper Cuts project is first and foremost about getting people to think about usability down to the smallest detail; a similar project could be carried out that stresses getting fixes upstream, but pushing fixes upstream is not the unique aspect of this project. Upstream adoption sounds like a really good metric for the Ubuntu project to adopt as a whole, though, and I know people including Jorge Castro are developing tools for tracking upstream adoption of patches originating in Ubuntu.

Donal, you just named my biggest pet peeve! I&#039;d love to sort out the arrangement and sizes of desktop icons... The task is pretty big, though -- larger than paper cut sized.

A Telco Guy, thanks so much for the positive feedback and encouragement! People don&#039;t realize how motivitating it is.

Rich, how many paper cuts did you report or fix last cycle? This is a community project, so if it&#039;s not as big a success as you hoped, it&#039;s partially your fault! Please jump in the fray this time and help us fix them. If you have any good paper cut ideas for Rhythmbox, I&#039;m all ears.

Paul, yes, this has been a problem. We discussed it at UDS. Part of me wishes that we hadn&#039;t used the term &quot;paper cut,&quot; and maybe using &quot;Koala Bite&quot; or &quot;Lynx Flea&quot; would lessen the blow (e.g. &quot;this issue that&#039;s really frustrating you isn&#039;t a &#039;Koala Bite&#039;&quot;). Don&#039;t worry too much about the few hundred people who reported bugs that weren&#039;t paper cuts--those bugs are still being worked on and fixed. We are taking extra care (more than we did at the beginning of the project) to thank people who&#039;ve reported paper cuts, even if they are invalid.

Gena, please see the definition of a paper cut, I don&#039;t think you understand the nature of the bugs we are discussing: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jef, I understand and agree. The One Hundred Paper Cuts project is first and foremost about getting people to think about usability down to the smallest detail; a similar project could be carried out that stresses getting fixes upstream, but pushing fixes upstream is not the unique aspect of this project. Upstream adoption sounds like a really good metric for the Ubuntu project to adopt as a whole, though, and I know people including Jorge Castro are developing tools for tracking upstream adoption of patches originating in Ubuntu.</p>
<p>Donal, you just named my biggest pet peeve! I&#8217;d love to sort out the arrangement and sizes of desktop icons&#8230; The task is pretty big, though &#8212; larger than paper cut sized.</p>
<p>A Telco Guy, thanks so much for the positive feedback and encouragement! People don&#8217;t realize how motivitating it is.</p>
<p>Rich, how many paper cuts did you report or fix last cycle? This is a community project, so if it&#8217;s not as big a success as you hoped, it&#8217;s partially your fault! Please jump in the fray this time and help us fix them. If you have any good paper cut ideas for Rhythmbox, I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
<p>Paul, yes, this has been a problem. We discussed it at UDS. Part of me wishes that we hadn&#8217;t used the term &#8220;paper cut,&#8221; and maybe using &#8220;Koala Bite&#8221; or &#8220;Lynx Flea&#8221; would lessen the blow (e.g. &#8220;this issue that&#8217;s really frustrating you isn&#8217;t a &#8216;Koala Bite&#8217;&#8221<img src='http://davidsiegel.org/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/wink.png' alt='Wink' title='Wink' class='tse-smiley' />. Don&#8217;t worry too much about the few hundred people who reported bugs that weren&#8217;t paper cuts&#8211;those bugs are still being worked on and fixed. We are taking extra care (more than we did at the beginning of the project) to thank people who&#8217;ve reported paper cuts, even if they are invalid.</p>
<p>Gena, please see the definition of a paper cut, I don&#8217;t think you understand the nature of the bugs we are discussing: <a href="http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut?referer=');">http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut</a></p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;One Hundred Paper Cuts&#8221; riprende vita con Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) &#171; Crismon's Blog</title>
		<link>http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/comment-page-1/#comment-1957</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;One Hundred Paper Cuts&#8221; riprende vita con Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) &#171; Crismon's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ulteriori dettagli che riguardano i piani del team, sono reperibili a questo indirizzo. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Μεγαλύτερη ευχρηστία υπόσχεται τo Ubuntu 10.04 &#124; Search Top Greek Blog</title>
		<link>http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/comment-page-1/#comment-1955</link>
		<dc:creator>Μεγαλύτερη ευχρηστία υπόσχεται τo Ubuntu 10.04 &#124; Search Top Greek Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] της Ubuntu) ωστόσο αντιμετωπίστηκαν 75 από αυτά, όπως αναφέρει ο προγραμματιστής David Siegel στο blog του. Με βάση αυτά τα [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] της Ubuntu) ωστόσο αντιμετωπίστηκαν 75 από αυτά, όπως αναφέρει ο προγραμματιστής David Siegel στο blog του. Με βάση αυτά τα [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gena</title>
		<link>http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/comment-page-1/#comment-1953</link>
		<dc:creator>gena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ubuntu 9.10
gnome-system-monitor use from 20% to 80% cpu.
operapluginwrapper during flash video use 60% cpu
fix it.</description>
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gnome-system-monitor use from 20% to 80% cpu.<br />
operapluginwrapper during flash video use 60% cpu<br />
fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kishimoto</title>
		<link>http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/comment-page-1/#comment-1952</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Kishimoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, your reply focused on a random musing which apparently overshadowed my main point.

Let me paraphrase: I understand what a papercut is. I am not angry because I think some pet bug of mine is neglected. I think the project is great, but I am worried that it might get a bad rep. This is because, as the link shows, there were perhaps 972 users who tried to suggest a paper cut, of which 100 were selected and 76 fixed.

That level of buy-in (almost 1000 suggestions!) is a good thing, but also has drawbacks. Namely, some people will complain when their bugs are not selected. This is not because the decision is wrong, but simply because these users misunderstand the working definition of &#039;papercut&#039;, or can&#039;t see why their bug is not in scope.

Again, I am not one of these, but from viewing comments on bugs, it is clear they are numerous.

Unfortunately, with 76 fixes and 872 invalid bugs, odds may favour the complaints drowning out the praise, resulting in community opinion against something with real value. (The same sort of process is behind the groundless claims that &quot;Ubuntu hates upstream.&quot;)

All I wanted to suggest was that, as the papercut efforts grow and mature from release to release, some attention could be paid to forestalling complaints by altering communication strategy somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, your reply focused on a random musing which apparently overshadowed my main point.</p>
<p>Let me paraphrase: I understand what a papercut is. I am not angry because I think some pet bug of mine is neglected. I think the project is great, but I am worried that it might get a bad rep. This is because, as the link shows, there were perhaps 972 users who tried to suggest a paper cut, of which 100 were selected and 76 fixed.</p>
<p>That level of buy-in (almost 1000 suggestions!) is a good thing, but also has drawbacks. Namely, some people will complain when their bugs are not selected. This is not because the decision is wrong, but simply because these users misunderstand the working definition of &#8216;papercut&#8217;, or can&#8217;t see why their bug is not in scope.</p>
<p>Again, I am not one of these, but from viewing comments on bugs, it is clear they are numerous.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, with 76 fixes and 872 invalid bugs, odds may favour the complaints drowning out the praise, resulting in community opinion against something with real value. (The same sort of process is behind the groundless claims that &#8220;Ubuntu hates upstream.&#8221<img src='http://davidsiegel.org/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/wink.png' alt='Wink' title='Wink' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
<p>All I wanted to suggest was that, as the papercut efforts grow and mature from release to release, some attention could be paid to forestalling complaints by altering communication strategy somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: mac_v</title>
		<link>http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/comment-page-1/#comment-1951</link>
		<dc:creator>mac_v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jef Spaleta:
Majority of the bugs have been fixed upstream too. 
Probably only a couple of bugs might not have been done upstream. I&#039;m not even sure that such bugs exist.
Could you comment on the launchpad bugs  , which bugs havent been fixed upstream too?

We can hopefully get upstream to fix the issues soon.

Our focus is get upstream to fix the issues too. If there was a delay upstream , it would have only been due to their attention being diverted to crashers and other bugs.

Ubuntu does *not* want to carry patches over upstream efforts[unless absolutely essential]. This has been very specific focus from the desktop team. 
If any bugs are not fixed upstream as well. Kindly mention it on the lp bugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jef Spaleta:<br />
Majority of the bugs have been fixed upstream too.<br />
Probably only a couple of bugs might not have been done upstream. I&#8217;m not even sure that such bugs exist.<br />
Could you comment on the launchpad bugs  , which bugs havent been fixed upstream too?</p>
<p>We can hopefully get upstream to fix the issues soon.</p>
<p>Our focus is get upstream to fix the issues too. If there was a delay upstream , it would have only been due to their attention being diverted to crashers and other bugs.</p>
<p>Ubuntu does *not* want to carry patches over upstream efforts[unless absolutely essential]. This has been very specific focus from the desktop team.<br />
If any bugs are not fixed upstream as well. Kindly mention it on the lp bugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/comment-page-1/#comment-1949</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for working on this - wasn&#039;t quiiiiite as big of a success as I hoped it would be, but still very impressive.

I&#039;m very interested in working on Rhythmbox, so please keep updating your blog and keep me posted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for working on this &#8211; wasn&#8217;t quiiiiite as big of a success as I hoped it would be, but still very impressive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very interested in working on Rhythmbox, so please keep updating your blog and keep me posted!</p>
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		<title>By: A Telco Guy</title>
		<link>http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/comment-page-1/#comment-1948</link>
		<dc:creator>A Telco Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David :

I just wanted to say &quot;thank you&quot; for all the hard work that you and your team have been doing on improving the Ubuntu user experience.

Putting tireless hours of efforts on the seemingly thankless job of tracking down and eliminating &quot;minor&quot; bugs... this kind of thing is exactly what Microsoft has NOT been doing for 8+ years and it reflects very poorly on them, for a lot of &quot;minor&quot; bugs add up to a &quot;major&quot; user experience problem.

You guys may not get a lot of accolades on it, but you are performing an extremely valuable service to the world of Open Source software.

Every time that I -- or the dozens of friends, family and business associates who I have introduced to Ubuntu -- power up our computers, we see the results of your work, right in front of us. It is immediately obvious that you are listening to us poor dumb end users and are fixing the problems as we report them.

We know what you are doing, and we appreciate it. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David :</p>
<p>I just wanted to say &#8220;thank you&#8221; for all the hard work that you and your team have been doing on improving the Ubuntu user experience.</p>
<p>Putting tireless hours of efforts on the seemingly thankless job of tracking down and eliminating &#8220;minor&#8221; bugs&#8230; this kind of thing is exactly what Microsoft has NOT been doing for 8+ years and it reflects very poorly on them, for a lot of &#8220;minor&#8221; bugs add up to a &#8220;major&#8221; user experience problem.</p>
<p>You guys may not get a lot of accolades on it, but you are performing an extremely valuable service to the world of Open Source software.</p>
<p>Every time that I &#8212; or the dozens of friends, family and business associates who I have introduced to Ubuntu &#8212; power up our computers, we see the results of your work, right in front of us. It is immediately obvious that you are listening to us poor dumb end users and are fixing the problems as we report them.</p>
<p>We know what you are doing, and we appreciate it. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
		<link>http://davidsiegel.org/100papercuts-karmic-lucid/comment-page-1/#comment-1946</link>
		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dan,
100 papercuts was a good idea. Glad to see it continue.
Let me just ask though.
This drives me mad and everyone I ever mention it to agrees. It relates to core user experiecne and affects everyone, not just those who use some package or other.

Can you sort out desktop icons? 

Currently file-names wrap over lines, arrangement is all over the place, (despite gconf settings to the contrary), you can&#039;t have names beside icons, keep align also doesn&#039;t work. All together I can&#039;t have a small ordered list on my Desktop. Desktop is always a mess.

Thanks for listening, and working on this.
Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dan,<br />
100 papercuts was a good idea. Glad to see it continue.<br />
Let me just ask though.<br />
This drives me mad and everyone I ever mention it to agrees. It relates to core user experiecne and affects everyone, not just those who use some package or other.</p>
<p>Can you sort out desktop icons? </p>
<p>Currently file-names wrap over lines, arrangement is all over the place, (despite gconf settings to the contrary), you can&#8217;t have names beside icons, keep align also doesn&#8217;t work. All together I can&#8217;t have a small ordered list on my Desktop. Desktop is always a mess.</p>
<p>Thanks for listening, and working on this.<br />
Regards</p>
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